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We are delighted to present a conversation between Janja Proki\u0107 and British photographer Mary McCartney, created on the occasion of their collaboration on the photography campaign for the new Albedo collection. <\/strong>The interview offers a glimpse into their creative worlds and serves as an introduction to the campaign, which we will be presenting in just a few days.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Janja:<\/strong> When was the last time you lost yourself somewhere between earth and sky?<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> In a lake! I love being able to immerse myself in water and simply float on the surface. It reminds me of the feeling of getting lost in space. I let go of everything on my mind and feel myself coming closer and closer to nature. Whenever I feel stressed or tense, going into the woods helps me \u2013 and the best thing of all is to jump into natural water and let myself float. It always feels like a reset. Where do you lose yourself?<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> At my cottage in the woods. I need a lot of solitude and time in nature. I go into the forest and wander along untrodden paths \u2013 not the ones everyone else takes. I love going deep into the woods and following animal trails, the paths taken by deer, for example. You can find them by looking for small traces, and then follow these narrow, beautiful paths, never knowing where they will lead you.<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> It’s similar to going into the woods and simply observing the trees until, gradually, they become your friends. Each one has a different personality. And I love moss. And ferns. So it sounds very similar: just going into the forest, taking everything in and observing. Resetting yourself and allowing the plants to communicate with you.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> What does feeling a true connection with nature mean to you?<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> A few years ago, while I was out walking, I felt that the branches of a tree looked like arms reaching out for a hug. I thought to myself, \u201cAll right, I’m going for it!\u201d So I walked up to the tree and hugged it. I definitely feel a connection with nature. And as part of the exhibition I’m currently working on, I want to dedicate an entire section to nature, and trees in particular.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> When I go into the forest, I feel that after a while my eyes somehow adjust and begin to notice animals that would otherwise remain hidden. Birds, for example, whose feathers camouflage them perfectly among the trees. When you stay still for long enough, they start to emerge. You begin to notice details that would otherwise escape you. Because if you’re not at peace within yourself, you simply don’t see them.<\/p>\n

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Mary:<\/strong> It’s similar with horses, which I have a great love for. I grew up around them, so being with them feels completely natural to me. Recently, I met someone in Richmond who works with horses in equine-assisted therapy. People who aren’t used to horses come to visit him and his horses, too. I noticed that some of them were a little afraid, and I could also see how the horses reacted. Horses show you that you need to change your energy. You can’t approach them in a confused or agitated state, because they become frightened and withdraw. Spending time among horses somehow grounds you and brings you back into balance. Being in contact with animals and nature brings us back down to earth. In general, we spend so much of our lives in our heads, constantly under stress.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> Is there a particular kind of solitude you need in order to truly see? For me, solitude doesn’t necessarily mean the physical absence of other people. It can be an inner space in which we begin to perceive things differently. That’s how I feel in my old wooden house in the woods. It’s the first place where I’ve truly felt at home since childhood, when we moved away from Serbia. I talk to my dog there, and in the mornings I go for a walk to a beautiful elevated spot overlooking the horizon.<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I grew up on a large organic farm in Scotland. As a child, I therefore spent my time either in London, with all its hustle and bustle, or in a very remote place. I often wandered around in nature on my own to clear my head. We’re a large family, and our house was quite small. My escape was simply to go outside and walk. Nature always has a calming effect on you, so I need to go outside and watch the clouds. It’s even been scientifically proven that the colour green, which predominates in nature, has a calming effect on our brains and nervous systems. I like to give myself fifteen minutes alone in the morning before leaving my bedroom. I put on some classical music or something very peaceful, do some breathing exercises and simply tune into the new day. I also try to take breaks, even if it’s just five minutes, whenever I feel I’m rushing too much or getting stressed. Lately, while we’ve been working in the studio preparing the exhibition, I’ve enjoyed eating alone so I can have those thirty minutes entirely to myself. No sounds, no incoming information. I also try to walk as much as possible. Do you play any sports?<\/p>\n

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Janja:<\/strong> I love running in the woods and cycling. Taking care of myself and eating well are important to me.<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I also love cooking vegetarian meals for other people. It’s one of my hobbies, and it’s something very personal to me, too. I’m becoming increasingly interested in where our food comes from and in the nutrients in the soil. My interest in nature, combined with having grown up on farms, has made me realise that protecting the soil and reducing the use of chemicals are essential solutions. There’s a wonderful documentary called Kiss the Ground<\/em> that has inspired me enormously.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> Do you think our sensitivity to the world grows as we get older, or do we have to learn how not to lose it?<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I think my sensitivity is definitely coming back. As children, we somehow wander freely and observe the world, but then we reach a certain age when everything becomes incredibly hectic. We socialise, go to parties, look for jobs, focus on our careers or relationships, and allow ourselves to be distracted by all of it for a long time. In recent years, I’ve managed to break free from that and rediscover what has always been essential. Spending time alone is important to me because I’m easily distracted by other people, and their opinions tend to stay on my mind. So having time to myself really does me good. I also love listening to music and dancing, especially in the morning, to get myself into the right mood. I have lots of different playlists. For a long time, for example, I used to listen to George Michael’s \u201cFreedom\u201d while brushing my teeth. I also love a great track by Billy Poole. He made an amazing version of Elton John’s \u201cYour Song\u201d. I used to play it before photoshoots to help everyone get into the right mood. These days, I also enjoy classical music, for example Max Richter. His music invites reflection, radiates calm and feels contemporary at the same time. What kind of music do you listen to?<\/p>\n

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Janja:<\/strong> When I’m working and designing, I mostly listen to classical music, but I also enjoy electronic music, especially when I’m getting ready to go out. I’ve happily gone to a classical concert, then rushed home, changed and headed straight to a techno party!<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I photographed Charlotte de Witte, who is a techno DJ. I really enjoyed it because one of the photographs was taken during her actual performance. It was a wonderful experience. And the energy of the crowd\u2026 It’s similar to a classical music concert. There’s a conductor there, too, directing the whole thing.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> If you look closely at people sitting and listening to classical music, you’ll notice that perhaps half of them are dancing in their seats, in a way. You can see them moving and responding to the music just as they would at a party. And yes, there’s one person in control of the entire crowd.<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I think classical music concerts were once something like today’s parties. Music helps me relax, but it also puts me in a good mood.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> Let’s focus a little more on the jewellery itself and the idea behind my collection. For me, Albedo represents a moment of transformation. It’s not a final state, but rather a moment when things are only just beginning to become clear. It’s something that emerges when you stop trying to have everything under control. Mary, do you think photography can capture a person or an object precisely in this transitional state?<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I think there’s a certain freedom in this, just as there is in your design process. The style of photography I love embraces spontaneity and leaves room for the moment. I don’t like things that are too perfect or planned down to the smallest detail, because what is truly interesting is the chemistry between people, the collaboration, the light at that particular moment and the way things unfold\u2026<\/p>\n

When we first met and started talking, I found it incredibly inspiring to hear about the depth and the little details behind everything you do. I was fascinated by the hidden meanings you incorporate into your jewellery, making wearing your creations every day a little adventure. They are objects you experience differently each time and that gradually become part of your life.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> I love any work of art that carries a memory or reminds me of someone close to me or of a particular moment. Both photography and jewellery can preserve something that is no longer here \u2013 a person, a moment or a feeling. Do you think that’s precisely why we form such strong attachments to them?<\/p>\n

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Mary:<\/strong> I’m not someone who needs a lot of things. I love the things I have because they mean something to me. I don’t necessarily buy lots of things. I like wearing things that someone has given me. For example, my sister and I have these little rings that we gave each other. Mine says \u201cbig sister\u201d and hers says \u201clittle sister\u201d.<\/p>\n

You and I both love creating a certain atmosphere and highlighting something special. Jewellery is essentially a miniature work of art.<\/p>\n

Janja:<\/strong> Do you like the fact that when people look at your work, they project a little of their own story onto it? I enjoy discovering that truth, because when I create a piece of jewellery, I have a particular intention, but people often see something completely different in it. It’s very moving to hear why they bought it, what it means to them or what it has become in their lives.<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/strong> I remember the collection of moths we looked at in your studio when I visited Prague last year. Many people dislike moths, but I love them. I find them fascinating. And you told me the story behind that collection at the time.<\/p>\n

It’s similar to the photograph my mother took. It’s called A Gentle Hold of a Frog<\/em> and, incidentally, it’s one of my absolute favourites. When I guide people around the exhibition, I tell them the story behind it. But I often do this only after they’ve had a chance to look at everything, because I want them to form their own impressions first. Someone might see the frog and say, \u201cThat makes me laugh,\u201d or \u201cIt reminds me of someone who loved frogs.\u201d One person even said, \u201cIt reminds me of a princess picking it up to kiss it.\u201d In reality, it’s a photograph of my mother \u2013 a portrait of her hands moving a frog off the road so it wouldn’t get run over by a car.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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